The improbable Syrian reactor
Posted by Charles II on October 14, 2007

(image of North Korean Yongbyon reactor site from BBC, 7/23/07)
Sanger and Manzetti, NYT:
Israel’s air attack on Syria last month was directed against a site that Israeli and American intelligence analysts judged was a partly constructed nuclear reactor, apparently modeled on one North Korea has used to create its stockpile of nuclear weapons fuel, according to American and foreign officials with access to the intelligence reports.
This report seems suspicious to me. Here’s one point from the Sanger/Manzetti article:
The partly constructed Syrian reactor was detected earlier this year by satellite photographs, according to American officials. They suggested that the facility had been brought to American attention by the Israelis, but would not discuss why American spy agencies seemed to have missed the early phases of construction.
They also say that the North Koreans were giving instruction on how to build a reactor like that at Yongbyon– a 5 Megawatt reactor.
A 5 MW reactor is big. From the satellite photo, once can see that the Yongbyon site is 4500 x 2500 m, or roughly 2.5 mi x 1.5 mi. The reactor building is very roughly 250 x 450 m. It consumes massive amounts of fuel: 110 tons of spent fuel per year. John Pike’s GlocalSecurity thinks that the satellite imagery of a uranium enrichment facility might be missed. In my opinion, the large amount of ore required would not be, especially considering that Syria doesn’t have good ore sources (it does have a site which extracts uranium from phosphate at Homs, but the uranium is a contaminant; see Glocal Security below).
Syria is reported to have >reached an agreement to construct a 25MW light water reactor, but it is not known whether construction has proceeded. These are not practically capable under reasonable oversight of producing material for weapons.[Updated 10/17 thanks to suggestions from reader Pdq; changes indicated in bold]
Global Security expressed skepticism in this manner:
- “dramatic satellite imagery” – the types of activity associated with nuclear weapons development, particularly at the early stages of the program, are precisely the sorts of things that are not going to produce dramatic satellite imagery, which is why North Korea’s uranium program is so vexing for the United States.
- “primarily from Israel” – the reliance on such liasion sourced intelligence that could not be independently verified was one of the central problems with the Iraq WMD intelligence failure, and either evidence is “primarily from Israel” [ie, HUMINT] or it is independ[en]tly knowable by the United States based on “dramatic satellite imagery” but it is difficult to comprehend how both statements could be true.
- “restricted to a few senior officials” – this part of the story is designed to explain to other reporters why their sources are unable to confirm any of the details of this report
- “arrival at the Syrian port of Tartus” – this is not a large facility, and this news story would have us believe that Israeli intelligence has intimate knowledge of unloading activities at this port, a collection capability that was willingly compromised here
- “labeled as cement” — cement is normally transported as a bulk powder, and less frequently in recent decades in bags — neither form of transport would usefully conceal nuclear related components, and labeling some other means of transport [eg, standard 40-foot containters] as cement would be so patently false as to immediately draw suspicion to the shipment.
- “on the Euphrates River, close to the Turkish border” — the implication, though not over assertion, is that over the course of three days Israeli intelligence was able to track the shipment as it travelled half-way across Syria, or that Israeli surveillance of Syria is so comprehensive that the shipment was detected upon arrival — either of which is very impressive and hard to believe.
- “using it to extract uranium from phosphates” – Syria has a phosphate industry, which supports the production of fertilizer and phosphoric acid. Between 1996 and 2001 Syria operated a pilot plant at Homs for the purification of phosphoric acid, in order to remove the uranium contanmination so that the phosphoric acid could be used for food processing. This project was financed by the UN Developement Program, supported by the IAEA, and not bombed by Israel.
So, count me as unconvinced. There’s clearly a lot of BS being circulated by the WaPo and the NYT.
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LanceThruster said
The Mighty Wurlitzer is going strong on this one. It seems merely a way for Israel to create a justification for taking out Syrian defensive anti-aircraft batteries prior to future Israeli offensive action.
Charles said
I don’t know what their end game is, Lance. A military defeat of Syria might well turn the whole region to terrorism. I don’t think Israel can survive if it’s surrounded by many tens of millions of people who don’t feel they have anything to lose.
LanceThruster said
Could it be that they feel invincible with the unqualified US support for their bullying? You are correct that it is hard to discern their endgame but they tend to send a consistant message of “Don’t f*ck with us or you’ll live to regret it.”
Charles said
Hubris does seem to be in plentiful supply, Lance.
I wonder how long that will last if the US Army is forced to retreat from Iraq by a serious miscalculation on Iran.
LanceThruster said
Very true Charles. I thought you might be interested in this link. I find it fascinating when people of the “reality-based community” do a rational analysis of the situation. It’s long but there seems to be a wealth of good info on how, at so many levels, the entire endeavor has been mismanaged (regardless of one’s view of the necessity of the war in the first place).
http://www.combatreform2.com/johnpaulvann.htm
Charles said
That is a LOT of material, Lance. I just glanced through it.
But interesting stuff on the performance of the Gavin vs. the Stryker and about the need to have cooperative locals.
Before this whole mess started, just a few weeks after 9/11, I wrote a piece saying that the US “war on terrorism” would stand or fail on whether we were genuinely committed to resolving injustices in the Arab/Muslim world. I think that’s been borne out. We have no translators, we have evangelical Christian officers in Muslim lands, and we don’t seem to be interested in anything except oil. It’s a perfect recipe for turning the population against us.
I don’t think I agree with the article that JPVann could have saved Vietnam. Vietnam had an overclass, wildly corrupt, that used the US to terrorize or kill its political enemies. By 1972, I would guess that two thirds or more of South Vietnamese regarded the US as the primary enemy. It had become unwinnable much earlier.
It was a terrible shame. The troops that went to Vietnam were for the most part so idealistic.
D–n the people who send our young folks off on these adventures.
LanceThruster said
I think those were the valid critiques of JPVann’s premise that his plan to win hearts and minds would not have made any difference anyway. I also find the Gavin vs. Stryker issue illustrative of how boondoggles doom us from the start. The movie “Pentagon Wars” really highlights this shortcoming (about the development of the Bradley Fighting vehicle). Not to weigh you down with additional reading (it fully agrees with the preference for the M113) but more as a useful reference link on the subject here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2003_rpt/stryker_reality_of_war.pdf
My friend’s son was with Marines 1/5 WPNS for the fall of Baghdad. His assessment of the Stryker was neutral (he didn’t have any particularly negative experiences with it – though I believe Marines used Bradleys). When he returned home, I asked him what his experiences in Iraq were. The first words out of his mouth were, “We killed people for no reason.” His dad said he had been ordered to light up a vehicle approaching their checkpoint at speed. Turns out it was full of women and children. He then had to tend to the terrified and wounded lying amongst the dead and dying. So much for winning hearts and minds.
LanceThruster said
One other thing to add about the JPVann page. I was reading it for the different approaches to asymetrical conflicts, however in a more complete examination of the material, I found that I was not at all in agreement with their assessment of Hamas and Hezbollah who I feel *are* freedom fighters against Zionist agression. My main point being (as one who has never served in the military) that using killing and violent aggression to get your way has limited effectiveness and often works against one’s stated goals.
Charles said
The most effective way to use an army is to have a great one… and rarely deploy it.
I’m sorry about your friend’s son. Many returning soldiers, including a member of our family, face a lifetime of post-traumatic stress disorder. If that’s all they face, they’re among the lucky.
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eho said
Global Security is wrong on the cement transport. I have received cement shipped overseas in a container. Sacks on pallets won’t survive repeated handling and some forms of open ocean shipping. Cement in bulk requires special handling facilities.
Charles said
Global Security agrees with you, Eho:
“cement is normally transported as a bulk powder, and less frequently in recent decades in bags”
I don’t think they’re excluding all containers, just 40 ft containers.
I think their point is that if you put centrifuge parts or pieces of a reactor in a bag, no one is going to believe it’s cement. Likewise, “Special Container Handling Equipment and vehicles are needed to move these [40 ft.] containers” Portland Cement has a density of ca. 1500 kg/cu m. A 40 ft container would be about 75 cu m, if I did the conversion correctly, so the weight of cement would be over 100,000 kg.
pdq said
Two things:
One, from clicking through on the link, it’s not clear to me that Syria does have the smaller reactor- only that the Russians “agreed on a timetable” to deliver one.
Two, I’m not sure that your comment that such a reactor is “incapable of producing material for weapons”. I’m not a nuclear physicist, but it seems to me that any fission reactor will inevitably convert some of the U238 to plutonium, which could then theoretically be extracted chemically from spent fuel. Some reactors (“breeders”) are optimized to produce more, but I’m not sure you can make a reactor that makes _no_ plutonium.
Small reactor, yes- small amounts of plutonium produced, certainly. But of course it doesn’t take much plutonium to make a weapon.
Charles said
Pdq says, “One, from clicking through on the link, it’s not clear to me that Syria does have the smaller reactor- only that the Russians “agreed on a timetable” to deliver one.”
That’s an interesting point, and I will correct the post. The link doesn’t carry the story forward to the present, but Sanger/Manzetti state as fact “Syria is known to have only one nuclear reactor, a small one built for research purposes.”
pdq says, “I’m not a nuclear physicist, but it seems to me that any fission reactor will inevitably convert some of the U238 to plutonium, which could then theoretically be extracted chemically from spent fuel.”
This is true. What makes the light water reactor proliferation-resistant is that with oversight, this can be prevented. It requires enriched uranium as fuel, and it is not at all optimal for producing fissile plutonium, because plutonium is also consumed, leaving ca. 1% plutonium at the end of the cycle. It’s just not practical to make a weapon this way, both financially and since there are too many ways to get caught.
Thanks for the skepticism. I will amend the post to reflect your comments.
Dabodius said
Israel’s “bullying,” LanceThruster? It’s an act of war. Syria declared war on Israel in 1948; there have been truces since, but Syria remains in a state of war with Israel. If the Assad Jr. regime doesn’t want to be on the receiving end of acts of war, they should at least make peace — and then they won’t need WMD and the means to deliver them, either to support conventiional operations against Israel or to deter Israel by threatening the Israeli population. And if they want Israel to give up nuclear weapons, they won’t make much progress by continuing the state of war, much less developing their own WMD. Meanwhile let’s skip the bellyaching about Israel prosecuting war against a state that insists on being at war.
Charles said
That’s an oversimplification of the situation, Dabodius. Syria refuses to sign a peace settlement that includes territorial terms they consider unacceptable. Since Israel is not in compliance with treaties to which it is a signatory, it is not on the moral high ground.
If, as I believe, there was no nuclear site, this was one of the stupidest things Israel has done since… hm… invading Lebanon.
40 Years in The Desert said
No Syrian Nukes
Some analysis on GlobalSecurity.org and Phoenix Woman’s blog do a pretty good job of evicerating the claims of nuclear weapons activity.
So, if it’s not nukes, what did Israel hit? It hit weapons destined to Hamas in Lebanon.
Why would they do thi…
LanceThruster said
Charles, Thank you for your comments re: my friend’s son and best wishes for your family member who may also suffer lingering emotional scars from their experiences over there.
Dabodius – Yes, I would call it bullying. Please refer to Moshe Dayan’s comments taken from Dr. Norman Finkelstein’s critique of Michael Oren’s book “Six Days of War” ( http://ussliberty.com/orenbook.htm )
[begin text]
In an interview that created a stir in Israel after its belated publication, Defense Minister Moshe Dayan declared:
I know how at least 80 percent of all of the incidents there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let’s speak about 80 percent. It would go like this: we would send a tractor to plow.in the demilitarized area, and we would know ahead of time that the Syrians would start shooting. If they did not start shooting, we would inform the tractor to progress farther, until the Syrians, in the end, would get nervous and would shoot. And then we would use guns, and later, even the air force, and that is how it went..We thought.that we could change the lines of the cease-fire accords by military actions that were less than a war. That is, to seize some territory and hold it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.
It was just such a staged provocation – an Israeli tractor plowing through a disputed field despite Syrian pleas for compromise – that sparked the April 1967 aerial battle. In Oren’s reckoning, however, the battle ensued after a pattern of “Syrian provocation” (SDW: p. 46).
[end text]
In my opinion for what it’s worth, the WMD allegation is merely a pretext for Israeli agression aimed at Iran. The action against Syria is a preliminary step. Make note of the fact that Israel has become concerned that Russia is trying to negotiate a comprimise with Iran that would thwart their war plans. They sent an emergency envoy to Russia to deal with it. Also remember in regards to Iran, that they are a signatory of the NPT whereas israel continues to lie about its nuclear weapons stockpile. They continue to hold Mordachai Vanunu captive in Israel for telling the truth about Dimona ( http://www.counterpunch.org/gaffney01312003.html ). Yes, I would indeed call that bullying. If they’re going to continue to work against the interests of peace, can they at least do it on their own dime? Maybe negotiated settlements can occur when Israel is not allowed to pick and choose which UN Resolutions suit them.
Free Mordechai Vanunu – http://www.vanunu.freeserve.co.uk/htdocs/news.htm
Not So Skeptical said
Interesting thread starting on the 14th. What say you now with the new news of insiders with supposed hard evidence (human intelligence & photographs)?
If true, I’m glad the message delivered is being told. More time will tell.
Charles said
Not So Skeptical, all we have seen is unsourced, anonymous reports alleging vague things. The UN has been looking at the evidence and, at least on the first glance, is not quite as persuaded as Israel was.
We were lied to, brazenly, on the causes for war with Iraq. We should be not so gullible the second time around.
Jerry said
Guess you were DEAD wrong. Considering the intelligence just revealed. Looks like our Intelligence apparatus actually does work sometimes!
Charles II said
Um, Jerry.
Did you bother to read the LAT excerpt I just posted?
Guess not.
Shorter version: The same people who told us– wrongly– that there were WMD in Iraq think this was a reactor. Other people are not.
With intelligence capabilities such as those you have displayed, I doubt we could train you to even notice that this thread is half a year old, much less make a thoughtful argument about whether this is or is not a reactor.
Yossi said
For a detailed analysis of the alleged Syrian reactor see:
http://www.free-cats.org/boe.html
Charles said
Thanks for the link, Yossi. It has been updated to http://shum.huji.ac.il/~agay/blog.cgi?boe
I skimmed through the first third and found many interesting questions. It would be nice to have photos illustrating the questions about reactor size, which have also been raised by Arms Control Wonk.
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