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James Lileks Is A Twit, #13450437

Posted by Phoenix Woman on December 22, 2007

Poor Mr. Lileks. He should never try to do journalism; all it does is hurt his head and make him look dumber than he already does.

For example, we have him saying truly dumbass things about Sharia finance and the City of Minneapolis:

Unless no-interest business loans are available to religious believers whose doctrines do not forbid interest — not to mention anarchists — this would seem to be Flamingly Unconstitutional, to use the legal term. Does one have to prove one holds this particular religious belief? Would they bring in someone to test you? It seems absurd to expect the government to validate your piety to make sure you qualify for benefits.

Not to be outdone in the Crashing Stupidity department, the rabidly anti-Muslim blog Gates of Vienna picks up and passes around this dreck as if it were the Word of God:

Sharia-based finance is rapidly gaining ground in the United States. The most effective means to combat it is to denounce it vigorously, loudly, and repeatedly as blatantly unconstitutional.

Here’s conservative blogger and Real Live Account Dennis the Peasant, who unlike Lileks has been known to use Google properly on occasion (and who unlike Lileks has actually worked with Muslims — Somalis, in his case — in the field of finance, which of course makes him a race and/or culture traitor as far as the Gates of Vienna fan base is concerned):

Had either James Lileks or Baron Bodissey googled “Sharia finance” and spent, say, twenty minutes reading several of the many links provided on page one, our intrepid journalist and our equally intrepid counterjihadist would have discovered that “no interest” Sharia finance does not equate to “no cost” non-Sharia finance, and that both of them were completely, totally and embarrassingly wrong in their respective hyperventilations. But as we all know, saving the world from The Muslim Menace™ can really eat into your free time if you let it, so sometimes something has to give… In this case, as in most, what actually does give is any semblance to factual accuracy.

I now understand why Lileks was so desperate to avoid returning to reporting news for a living.

Here are the facts:

Islamic law requires three elements to be present in any financial contract to qualify as Sharia-compliant:

1) All parties share in the profits and losses associated with the transaction,
2) Investors in the transaction cannot charge interest, and
3) Uncertainty (returns determined by possible future outcomes) is prohibited in the terms of the contract.

(Other elements, such as prohibited investments (haram) and form/elements of Sharia-compliant contracts need not be addressed here.)

The key to understanding Sharia financing is this: Muslims believe that money, in and of itself, has no value. All value derives from trading, and the risk associated with trading. Therefore, making money from money is prohibited because it is viewed as being a risk-free transaction with unearned reward. So, for any transaction to meet the requirements of Sharia financing, it must be structured in a way that risk and reward are fairly shared by all parties to the contract. Thus, where the Western investor would receive interest income, the Muslim investor would receive a stated portion of the profit or loss. Where the Western borrower would pay interest, the Muslim would pay a stated portion of the profits (if any) of the transaction.

The bottom line is this: When the mayor of Minneapolis stated that the city would make available “alternative financing loans with no interest to business owners whose religious beliefs restrict them from receiving traditional interest-based financing”, what he was not saying was the Muslim business owners would receive “no cost” loans. What he was saying is that they would be receiving traditional Islamic financing where profit-sharing is substituted for the paying of interest. Not that either Lileks or the Baron would know this, but what the city will most likely offering is a Murabaha contract, which Westerners usually consider to be a form of cost-plus financing, through a third-party agent.

Of course, the paranoid Warriors Against Islam jumped all over Dennis’ case, and he promptly smacked them down:

A Note To My Friends At GulfCoastPundit: I see I have several folks claiming my assertion that the Sharia financing offered by the City of Minneapolis isn’t “no cost” is just an example of me running my mouth. Sorry, kids, but Dennis – unlike Lileks and the Baron – actually does his fucking homework. Here is a link to the City of Minneapolis web site page that explains the Sharia finance program in detail. It is “low cost”, not “no cost”, and mirrors the City of Minneapolis’ non-Sharia 2% Revolving Loan funding that is available to dhimmis.

Game, set and match to Dennis.

As I told Dennis in the comments section of his blog (edit:  or would have, if my comments ever got past the spam filters of a typical TypePad blog), I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the idea that it’s somehow “Flamingly Unconstitutional” to try to avoid screwing people in a financial transaction. Forget Googling “Sharia finance”; these clowns should Google “usury”, a topic on which the Puritans were most fulsome. But apparently things like 24% interest on credit cards are A-OK to them.

12 Responses to “James Lileks Is A Twit, #13450437”

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  2. MEC said

    I’m going to make a wild guess that the same people screeching that Sharia no-interest loans are “flamingly unconstitutional” don’t have the least objection to the aggressive proselytization on military bases by Christian evangelicals.

  3. Charles said

    What ever happened to the “it’s my money and I can do what I f**king want with it” principle so dear to right-wingers? Granted, it’s a governmental body, but taxpayers have the final word in this issue.

    Running to the federal government to enforce separation of church and state on what is clearly not a church-state issue is beyond lame. Now, if Minneapolis starts demanding a share of profits based on Sharia law, then there’s a problem.

  4. Michael said

    It is not only Islam that forbids the usury of money.

  5. Exactly, Michael. Hence my mentioning America’s Puritan forebears.

  6. Michael said

    Why go back to the puritans, though? It’s right there in the new testament. And the old testament. And probably every scripture.

  7. Michael said

    Exodus 22:25 for starters.

  8. Charles said

    Yep. Any fundamentalists should look up that passage. “Neshek” is translated “usury,” but it means a “bite,” and therefore refers to any interest payment. However, interestingly, Maimonides permitted usury against non-Jews.

  9. Michael said

    Maimonides notwithstanding, Jesus overturned that and said treat your neighbor as yourself.

  10. Michael said

    Of course practicing Jews are not bound by Jesus, so they can do what they wish and everyone can do the same. But let’s recognize what the scriptures say, is all I’m saying.

  11. Charles said

    I think the practice of usury has been alive and well in modern society, both Christian and Jewish, Michael. As the saying goes, “The Golden Rule means that he who has the gold, rules.”

  12. Michael said

    Yes, so long as we continue to worship the golden calf.

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