Personally I’d Go With Biofuels Instead, But That’s Just Me
Posted by Phoenix Woman on March 23, 2008
The U.S. Air Force needs a high-performance fuel for its jets, but it also wants to get said fuel domestically. What to do?
Their idea: Convert coal to oil fuel. Not everyone is thrilled:
The Air Force wants to build at its Malmstrom base in central Montana the first piece of what it hopes will be a nationwide network of facilities that would convert domestic coal into cleaner-burning synthetic fuel.Air Force officials said the plants could help neutralize a national security threat by tapping into the country’s abundant coal reserves. And by offering itself as a partner in the Malmstrom plant, the Air Force hopes to prod Wall Street investors — nervous over coal’s role in climate change — to sink money into similar plants nationwide.
“We’re going to be burning fossil fuels for a long time, and there’s three times as much coal in the ground as there are oil reserves,” said Air Force Assistant Secretary William Anderson. “Guess what? We’re going to burn coal.”
Tempering that vision, analysts say, is the astronomical cost of coal-to-liquids plants. Their high price tag, up to $5 billion apiece, would be hard to justify if oil prices were to drop. In addition, coal has drawn wide opposition on Capitol Hill, where some leading lawmakers reject claims it can be transformed into a clean fuel. Without emissions controls, experts say coal-to-liquids plants could churn out double the greenhouse gases as oil.
“We don’t want new sources of energy that are going to make the greenhouse gas problem even worse,” House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said in a recent interview.
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“Is it a viable technology? Certainly it is. The challenge seems to be getting the first couple (of plants) done,” said industry analyst Gordon Howald with Calyon Securities. “For a company to commit to this and then five years later oil is back at $60 — this becomes the worst idea that ever happened.”
Only two coal-to-liquids plants are now operating worldwide, all in South Africa. A third is scheduled to come online in China this year, said Corey Henry with the Coal-to-Liquids Coalition.
The Air Force is adamant it can advance the technology used in those plants to turn dirty coal into a “green fuel,” by capturing the carbon dioxide and other, more toxic emissions produced during manufacturing.
However, that would not address emissions from burning the fuel, said Robert Williams, a senior research scientist at Princeton University. To do more than simply break even, the industry must reduce the amount of coal used in the synthetic-fuel blend and supplement it with a fuel derived from plants, Williams said.






Stormcrow said
Pork.
It’s the other white meat.
Charles II said
I’m torn.
On the one hand, we really do need to have an emergency alternative fuel for when the consequences of our idiotic policies create a crisis. On the other hand, once we create the alternative, it will be used for non-crisis needs, thereby aggravating the environmental crisis.
RBM said
Came from PZ’s … and am aghast (a little heavy on the drama) on reading your remarks on ethanol. You need your horizons expanded – desperately !
I suggest either/both Robert Rapier or google ‘the oil drum + ethanol. That should get you a grasp on the tip of the iceberg of this subject.
And maybe pass the word to your poster Charles II.
I plead total ignorance on what your blog is about but would like to assure you I’m not ignorant about ethanol. There is much quality info on the net on this. You can make your own mind up – but first you must be informed ;)
Phoenix Woman said
RBM: What, exactly, are you talking about? Perhaps you and this corn-ethanol-boosting fella should get together — he’s thinks I’m too mean to ethanol, where you apparently think the opposite.
Charles II said
Considering that the thread is not about ethanol, I would guess RBM just landed here with ethanol on his/her mind, PW.
RBM, neither PW nor myself is particularly ignorant. If you have a point you want to make, make it. You might be favorably surprised.
RBM said
Phoenix Woman, Charles II
I understand the thread is about the USAF CTL effort.
Charles II, you introduced into that how military fuel use policy would presumably be twisted in practice. I would sorta agree.
Note:
*THE* biofuel ATM is ethanol.
What I am talking about ? Energy – it’s all about energy.
Course if you weren’t focused on me but my message, you might have figured that out.
My point was, read those sources.
Charles II said
WHICH sources, RBM?
WHAT do they say (a little more specific than that ethanol is good)?
What CAVEATS are there?
RBM said
Google is your friend.
Charles II said
Funny. The first item on the second link you provided is titled “Vinod Khosla Debunked: Ethanol is NOT the Answer”
This would seem to be the opposite opinion of yours.
And the first item on the first link is a suggestion to avoid ethanol and produce oil directly. (The author does not seem to consider the question of global warming, one of the critical questions when it comes to designing a national energy policy).
So, evidently, there is more than one opinion on the issue!
How would I have possibly known this without your assistance?
I still have no idea why this is relevant to a thread on conversion of coal to fuels.
RBM said
ermmm, never mind.
I just reread, for the upmteenth time what serves as a bio page for this site “Who Are These People, Anyway?”.
The info offered on what kind of cat one is, should have tipped me off.
In 24 hours time you read at least the first item on 2 links. I can quite understand why you fail to find relevance to a CTL story to the larger issue of energy en toto.
Your lack of motivation to uncover the broader story for yourselves is apparent.
Bye.
Charles II said
So happy we could oblige, RBM.
Phoenix Woman said
Heh! So when he’s caught out on the facts, he runs away. Nice going, dude. And put back that groundwater in the aquifer when you’re done with it.
Charles II said
Actually, no one has equated Fischer-Tropsch and ethanol.
One can even produce ethanol through Fischer-Tropsch.
Guess that makes coal a biofuel, eh?