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Saturday Afternoon News Roundup

Posted by Phoenix Woman on January 31, 2009

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Journalists in Russia keep getting killed, and newspapers harrassed, as part of Putin’s planned return to the Soviet Union of Stalin and Andropov. But there are a few brave souls still pressing on.

GOP governors urge their fellow Republicans in Congress to pass the stimulus bill. Obama must have had this in reserve to spring on Mitch and Boehner to counter their stonewalling; now Boehner gets to look bad, siding with Rush Limbaugh while the governors side with Obama.

– Speaking of Obama and Congressional Republicans: He’s planning on nominating Judd Gregg, a moderate Republican from New Hampshire, to be his Commerce Secretary. Oh, and New Hampshire just happens to have a Democratic governor — who will be picking Gregg’s successor in the Senate. 60 seats, here we come!

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12 Responses to “Saturday Afternoon News Roundup”

  1. Dennis Lopez said

    The GOP wants a stimulus bill. That isn’t what they are opposed to. They just want a package with more infrastructure spending, more support for small business, and less pork. That is what I am hearing from GOP sources.

  2. Charles II said

    Um, Dennis.

    They’re lying to you.

    Know how I know?

    Because they have been spending years underfunding infrastructure, screwing small business in favor of tax cuts for Exxon and Chevron, and building bridges to nowhere.

    That is, when they’re not taking bribes or getting leather sex from whores in New Orleans.

    Because they lied when they based their opposition to it on a non-existent CBO budget report.

    Because John McCain has said on national TV that he doesn’t want to support it because it’s a Democratic initiative.

    Because Rush Limbaugh has said that he wants Barack Obama to fail.

    Because they lie all the time.

    Just how big of a sucker are you?

  3. Stormcrow said

    That’s Stalin or Andropov, PW.

    They were as different as Adolf Hitler and Mustafa Kemal.

    Most importantly, they differed in the way they chose subordinates for advice and preferment.

    Stalin always chose, and promoted, the more incompetent of any two alterantives. He wanted his people bound as tightly to him as possible, and would brook nobody who was even smart enough to be a potential rival.

    OTOH, Yuri Andropov stood Stalin’s selection criteria on its head. He selected and preferred the more competent. Always. For example, Mikhail Gorbachev was a protege of Andropov and Suslov. But mostly Andropov. He was also Andropov’s explicit choice as his successor.

  4. MEC said

    We know what the Republicans want in an “economic stimulus” package, because they’ve written their own bill. That bill would increase taxes for millions of taxpayers. But not, I suspect, for the wealthiest people.

  5. Charles II said

    MEC, I have been following the AMT issue for a long time, and I can tell you with certainty that if it were up to the Dems, the limits to trigger it would have been raised a long time ago. Doing the annual patch adds work to Baucus’s committee and the whole Congress, sends shivers of fear through people in the upper middle/lower upper classes, and enriches accountants– all without doing anything very much about the deficit. The whole point of the AMT is to make sure that very, very rich people pay some taxes. Even with it in place, they often pay taxes at a lower rate than the middle class.

    Have I mentioned that Republicans are a–holes lately?

  6. Dennis Lopez said

    “Update: Cantor spokesperson Brad Dayspring emails over this response:

    These are the type of untruths spread by House Democrats that continue to undermine President Obama’s desire to work together to provide real solutions to the challenges faced by hardworking Americans. This is nothing short of a total fabrication, as there will be no more people subjected to the AMT under the Republican jobs plan than the Democrat spending bill. In fact it is likely that the Republican plan would subject less to it.

    The truth of the matter is that both plans address the AMT and were written under the assumption that the regular AMT patch would be passed by the end of the year, just as Congress has done this entire decade. The very fact that the Democrat Ways and Means Committee is so obsessed with discrediting the Republican plan to create jobs instead of promoting their own spending plan brings into question their motives.”

    This is what Bush said to the Dem congress:

    President Bush demanded Saturday that Congress send him legislation that keeps middle-class Americans from being hit at tax time next year by the dreaded alternative minimum tax.

    That’s not likely to happen any time soon. Congress has adjourned for the Thanksgiving holiday. The legislation is bogged down in the House and Senate. And Bush has threatened to veto any bill that raises taxes as a way of fixing the tax, known as AMT.
    http://www.sptimes.com/2007/11/18/Worldandnation/Bush_says_act_on_alte.shtml

    I am glad that we agree on the AMT…it should be abolished!

  7. Charles II said

    I didn’t say it should be abolished, Dennis. That’s a complete misrepresentation.

    As I said, I know from direct knowledge that Republicans have been blocking AMT reform. Eric Cantor is playing you because you don’t know the dynamics of the Congress. But here’s the evidence that Eric Cantor is an out-and-out-liar:

    Cantor made the claim that a CBO report had been issued and that it did not produce stimulus:

    REP. ERIC CANTOR (R-VA): Unfortunately, here on the Hill, what we’re seeing now is the congressional Democrats propose massive amounts of spending that — in fact, today the Congressional Budget Office came out with a report; said that it’s just not stimulus. It won’t help the economy grow. So I’m hopeful we’ll be able to work very closely with the — President Obama in making sure we get a real stimulus bill. [Fox News, 1/21/09]

    The claim that the report existed was false. The CBO was still in the process of scoring the stimulus package and had produced no numbers. It came out on the 26th.

    Now the right-wing media has tried to claim that the claims of Cantor and other Republicans on the effects of the stimulus package were partially true. Let’s not let that distract us from the fact that their claim of the existence of the report was completely false.

    So, is anything Cantor saying true? Has the CBO concluded the bill not stimulus? Well, no. It’s just a lie. The full report says “CBO anticipates that implementation of H.R. 1 would have a noticeable impact on economic growth and employment in the next few years.”

    So, is there any justification for what Cantor said? The best that Atlantic could come up with is that only 64% of the money will be spent in the next 18 months… versus the 75% Obama was hoping for.

    Well, pfft. This is bulls–t. Some people are trying to keep the economy from collapsing. Some people are being a–holes. Eric Cantor is in the latter category. And he’s a pathological liar. If you’re in touch with him, as it sounds like you are, you can tell him I said so.

  8. Dennis, when the only GOP governors defending the idiocy of GOP leaders like Cantor, McDonnell and Boehner are those who (like my own knucklehead, Smilin’ Tim Pawlenty) want the support of Cantor et al for 2012 presidential runs, you know you’re losing the fight.

    When even John Hagee, McCain’s pastor buddy, is telling you guys to chill out because saving the economy — and the nation — is more important than pulling a Limbaugh and wanting Obama to fail so you can clean up in the midterms next year, you know you’re losing the fight.

    The only people you have on your side are at FOX and on the editorial staffs of the Wall Street Journal, the Moonie Times, and the Washington Post as run by neocon nutter Fred Hiatt. And their profits and shares of the nation’s eyeballs are both dropping like stones.

    Your only hope is to stop your foolishness, now. Stop with the racist Southern Strategy that you all, as described by Lee Atwater, have draped in the code words of anti-government and anti-tax crusades. Stop with the greed, stop with the mindless knee-jerk opposition. Democrats rallied around Bush after 9/11, and that was a far less perilous situation than the one we’re now in. Stop your foolishness, or you will pay for it, and not just at the ballot box. Stop it, now.

  9. Charles II said

    Oh, no. Please keep it up, Republicans. I want to see the Republican Party destroyed for good, devoured as if by worms by the greed and dishonesty and division that it sowed throughout the nation.

  10. Dennis Lopez said

    Personally I am an independent but anyone who wants a single party rule of a county is asking for a disaster. Illinois is a heavy Dem state and things are great there, right? I’ve been around enough to know that both parties have corruption, greed, dishonesty, etc. You are fooling yourselves if you think that one party is perfect and the other is not. They both need reform and accountability and I hope the American people demand it.

  11. Stormcrow said

    Dennis, mirror imaging doesn’t even fool ex-Republicans anymore. I know, because I am one.

    The Republican Party has not been a political party for more than 30 years. Since the day Ford pardoned Nixon. It has turned into a criminal conspiracy. Because the Nixon pardon was the last part of the new Republican roadmap. It made clear to every sociopath in politics just how to commit any crime in the book and get away with it, clean. They’ve been doing so ever since.

    Hint: Does the name “John Poindexter” ring any bells?

    The fact that we cannot treat it as a criminal conspiracy probably means “curtains” for the United States as any sort of Republic, even on paper and in theory, in a decade’s time or less.

  12. Charles II said

    Ironically, Illinois is a good example of why the Democratic Party is, at least at present, a positive and constructive force. Illinois long suffered from corruption in both parties. A few years ago, it was George Ryan in the dock.

    Who was it that passed the campaign finance laws whose looming deadline triggered Blagojevich’s “fund-raising spree,” which exposed him? Why, it was the Democrats.

    In Washington, who has passed campaign finance reform legislation? A handful of Republicans participated (notably John McCain), but the reform was overwhelmingly from the Democrats.

    Sure, all human beings are subject to temptation. But when Democrats fall, it’s usually on personal financial scandals in which the public may be out hundreds of thousands or millions. Because they are the party of big business, Republican scandals usually squander billions of dollars. In the case of the gutting of the financial oversight that Republicans (with the aid of a few Democrats) carried out, the cost will be in the trillions.

    Democrats are no angels. But as the party which does support taxing the rich, they become immune to certain temptations if only because the people with the big bucks won’t give them any.

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