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		<title>By: Charles II</title>
		<link>http://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/long-overdue-credit-to-a-good-man/#comment-54332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following four more comments demonstrating an inability to discuss, I am happy to resolve the problem of our troll in feeling compelled to continue to converse with someone &quot;steeped in partisan and ideological hackery&quot; whose mentor was &quot;Goebbels.&quot;

Everyone wins!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following four more comments demonstrating an inability to discuss, I am happy to resolve the problem of our troll in feeling compelled to continue to converse with someone &#8220;steeped in partisan and ideological hackery&#8221; whose mentor was &#8220;Goebbels.&#8221;</p>
<p>Everyone wins!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles II</title>
		<link>http://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/long-overdue-credit-to-a-good-man/#comment-54324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You should read your own links. In the article in which Murphy references, from 2002, he does not call for a housing bubble. He says that &quot;to offset moribund business investment...Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.&quot;  

Krugman was stating the obvious. To get growth, someone has to be willing to &lt;em&gt;spend&lt;/em&gt;. Businesses were not spending because the consumer was not buying. The government was spending like a drunken sailor, but on activities that have no economic multipliers, so it was not really helping the economy. That leaves the consumer. And they weren&#039;t spending because the Nasdaq bubble had burst and the stock market was sucking.  There &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; ways to get people to spend that do not involve creating bubbles (like spending on infrastructure), but they are not in the power of the Fed to accomplish. 

Unfortunately for Murphy, he is unable to read to read a very simple post. As Krugman said about that post (again, it&#039;s linked in Murphy&#039;s piece), &quot; It wasn’t a piece of policy advocacy, it was just economic analysis.&quot;  

Johnny, you keep on making it evident that you have nothing but noise to contribute. And I do not have the time for this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should read your own links. In the article in which Murphy references, from 2002, he does not call for a housing bubble. He says that &#8220;to offset moribund business investment&#8230;Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Krugman was stating the obvious. To get growth, someone has to be willing to <em>spend</em>. Businesses were not spending because the consumer was not buying. The government was spending like a drunken sailor, but on activities that have no economic multipliers, so it was not really helping the economy. That leaves the consumer. And they weren&#8217;t spending because the Nasdaq bubble had burst and the stock market was sucking.  There <em>are</em> ways to get people to spend that do not involve creating bubbles (like spending on infrastructure), but they are not in the power of the Fed to accomplish. </p>
<p>Unfortunately for Murphy, he is unable to read to read a very simple post. As Krugman said about that post (again, it&#8217;s linked in Murphy&#8217;s piece), &#8221; It wasn’t a piece of policy advocacy, it was just economic analysis.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Johnny, you keep on making it evident that you have nothing but noise to contribute. And I do not have the time for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles II</title>
		<link>http://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/long-overdue-credit-to-a-good-man/#comment-54323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aside from the fact that you are simply making this up (Schiff, for example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://lansner.ocregister.com/2011/10/22/housing-market-will-get-much-worse/137313/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;was calling for a housing crash in 2011&lt;/a&gt;, while McBride correctly said that housing would improve starting in 2009), what you’re saying is that McBride is as good as professional commentators.

So, why are you trashing McBride?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the fact that you are simply making this up (Schiff, for example, <a href="http://lansner.ocregister.com/2011/10/22/housing-market-will-get-much-worse/137313/" rel="nofollow">was calling for a housing crash in 2011</a>, while McBride correctly said that housing would improve starting in 2009), what you’re saying is that McBride is as good as professional commentators.</p>
<p>So, why are you trashing McBride?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B.</title>
		<link>http://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/long-overdue-credit-to-a-good-man/#comment-54321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having no facts to substantiate what I say, and being unwilling to learn from the facts which you have patiently presented, I will be rude!  That will show my moral superiority! 

(&lt;em&gt;slightly edited by siteowner for veracity&lt;/em&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having no facts to substantiate what I say, and being unwilling to learn from the facts which you have patiently presented, I will be rude!  That will show my moral superiority! </p>
<p>(<em>slightly edited by siteowner for veracity</em>)</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B.</title>
		<link>http://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/long-overdue-credit-to-a-good-man/#comment-54320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep in mind it was the Keynesian Hero himself, Paul Krugman, who was calling for a housing bubble.  

http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2012/05/at-this-point-paul-krugman-is-just-playing-with-us-about-housing.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind it was the Keynesian Hero himself, Paul Krugman, who was calling for a housing bubble.  </p>
<p><a href="http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2012/05/at-this-point-paul-krugman-is-just-playing-with-us-about-housing.html" rel="nofollow">http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2012/05/at-this-point-paul-krugman-is-just-playing-with-us-about-housing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter Schiff, Bob Murphy, and a number of other Austrian Economists made those same accurate predictions and many others coming from a very different point of view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Schiff, Bob Murphy, and a number of other Austrian Economists made those same accurate predictions and many others coming from a very different point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles II</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And your basis for this claim is .... ? 

McBride lists a number of reasons for believing that things are turning around. 
-- In 1997, he was worried about the formation of a stock bubble. That did in fact burst in 2000, leading to a mild recession in 2001.  
-- The Bush Administration, not having any real policy to get the economy growing, collaborated with Alan Greenspan to inflate a housing bubble. 
-- Thus, from 2001-2009, the situation substantially deteriorated. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.incrediblecharts.com/images/png_images/keen1.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;personal debt&lt;/a&gt; accumulation you complain about, as well as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.comcast.net/~markthoma/Graphics/federal-debt-GDP.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;federal debt&lt;/a&gt; you complain about started rising during this period. Clinton lowered the federal debt burden, and slowed the rise in personal debt. 
-- Under Obama, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.incrediblecharts.com/images/png_images/keen1.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;personal debt&lt;/a&gt; has fallen, and the &lt;em&gt;deficit burden&lt;/em&gt; (see &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.wellsfargo.com/downloads/pdf/com/research/special_reports/Deficit_Primer_08012012.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fig. 2&lt;/a&gt;) is coming down from the horrific level that it rose to under Bush. 
-- Bill is encouraged that housing, which has been the engine for the economy, is stabilizing. This means construction jobs. 
-- Bill is also encouraged that jobs, which reached their bottom in 2009, &lt;a href=&quot;http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5060d24aeab8ea195e000002-940-705/chart-of-the-day-jobs-chart-september-2012.jpg?maxX=618&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;have steadily risen&lt;/a&gt; for three years. The US jobs crisis has not been anywhere near as bad as other financial crises. 
-- Bill called the housing bottom and has been consistently correct. He knows his economics and is willing to put his real name and professional reputation on his predictions.

And you are....?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your basis for this claim is &#8230;. ? </p>
<p>McBride lists a number of reasons for believing that things are turning around.<br />
&#8211; In 1997, he was worried about the formation of a stock bubble. That did in fact burst in 2000, leading to a mild recession in 2001.<br />
&#8211; The Bush Administration, not having any real policy to get the economy growing, collaborated with Alan Greenspan to inflate a housing bubble.<br />
&#8211; Thus, from 2001-2009, the situation substantially deteriorated. The <a href="http://www.incrediblecharts.com/images/png_images/keen1.gif" rel="nofollow">personal debt</a> accumulation you complain about, as well as the <a href="http://home.comcast.net/~markthoma/Graphics/federal-debt-GDP.jpg" rel="nofollow">federal debt</a> you complain about started rising during this period. Clinton lowered the federal debt burden, and slowed the rise in personal debt.<br />
&#8211; Under Obama, <a href="http://www.incrediblecharts.com/images/png_images/keen1.gif" rel="nofollow">personal debt</a> has fallen, and the <em>deficit burden</em> (see <a href="https://www.wellsfargo.com/downloads/pdf/com/research/special_reports/Deficit_Primer_08012012.pdf" rel="nofollow">Fig. 2</a>) is coming down from the horrific level that it rose to under Bush.<br />
&#8211; Bill is encouraged that housing, which has been the engine for the economy, is stabilizing. This means construction jobs.<br />
&#8211; Bill is also encouraged that jobs, which reached their bottom in 2009, <a href="http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5060d24aeab8ea195e000002-940-705/chart-of-the-day-jobs-chart-september-2012.jpg?maxX=618" rel="nofollow">have steadily risen</a> for three years. The US jobs crisis has not been anywhere near as bad as other financial crises.<br />
&#8211; Bill called the housing bottom and has been consistently correct. He knows his economics and is willing to put his real name and professional reputation on his predictions.</p>
<p>And you are&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This McBride fellow is completely detached from reality if he thinks this is the best shape we&#039;ve been in since &#039;97 and if he also thinks things are about to get much better.  Left-wing economists in this country are nothing more than a circus act intended to be pointed and laughed at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This McBride fellow is completely detached from reality if he thinks this is the best shape we&#8217;ve been in since &#8217;97 and if he also thinks things are about to get much better.  Left-wing economists in this country are nothing more than a circus act intended to be pointed and laughed at.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles II</title>
		<link>http://phoenixwoman.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/long-overdue-credit-to-a-good-man/#comment-54249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very sorry to hear about your health care, Jo. I spent some years on the DGS (Don&#039;t Get Sick) Health Plan, and didn&#039;t enjoy it at all. 

All social change takes much longer than it should. It took fifty years from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ssa.gov/history/ottob.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bismarck&lt;/a&gt; to Social Security. 

Hope Obamacare makes it affordable again for you, but understand why you&#039;d be skeptical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very sorry to hear about your health care, Jo. I spent some years on the DGS (Don&#8217;t Get Sick) Health Plan, and didn&#8217;t enjoy it at all. </p>
<p>All social change takes much longer than it should. It took fifty years from <a href="http://www.ssa.gov/history/ottob.html" rel="nofollow">Bismarck</a> to Social Security. </p>
<p>Hope Obamacare makes it affordable again for you, but understand why you&#8217;d be skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: jo6pac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jo6pac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry but I don&#039;t think so and I would like to be wrong but with the coming Austerity programs this will drive down the economy even further. Wages have been going down for 20yrs and with unions being shoved aside I just don’t see it. I just dropped my retirement health care, they just priced me out and who knows what the grand bargain is but I doubt it helps Main Street. Then there’s that little trade agreement TPP working its way into the citizens of the world life and as we have witnessed around the world from Poland, Baltic States, and Europe Main Street is losing big time. Just saying, I would like to be wrong but greed is winning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I don&#8217;t think so and I would like to be wrong but with the coming Austerity programs this will drive down the economy even further. Wages have been going down for 20yrs and with unions being shoved aside I just don’t see it. I just dropped my retirement health care, they just priced me out and who knows what the grand bargain is but I doubt it helps Main Street. Then there’s that little trade agreement TPP working its way into the citizens of the world life and as we have witnessed around the world from Poland, Baltic States, and Europe Main Street is losing big time. Just saying, I would like to be wrong but greed is winning.</p>
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